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	<title>Comments on: An ethical dilemma: A minor problem with Library Wars Episode Three</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan A</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 03:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see the argument, it is like inner politicians and pay-offs among contractors. I find something wrong with using the benefit, if the stimulus was for benefit. Say, if the reporter purposely executed the situation in which the child was drowning. That is obvious though.

Whether the reporter uses the story or not may matter to some more than others. Most would agree that if the child was saved, it was a good thing, and if the reporter reported, it would sound somewhat boastful. More than likely, I would not expect a journalist/reporter to report on such a thing, as it serves no purpose for a reader to know what the reporter did. Though, if it was something the reporter was part of, but the result was an important matter, then it would seem reasonable to self-report (a little).

I don&#039;t know how accurate such a situation was, but I remember in the movie &quot;We Were Soldiers&quot; the photographer, who ended up fighting in battle, still wrote the story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the argument, it is like inner politicians and pay-offs among contractors. I find something wrong with using the benefit, if the stimulus was for benefit. Say, if the reporter purposely executed the situation in which the child was drowning. That is obvious though.</p>
<p>Whether the reporter uses the story or not may matter to some more than others. Most would agree that if the child was saved, it was a good thing, and if the reporter reported, it would sound somewhat boastful. More than likely, I would not expect a journalist/reporter to report on such a thing, as it serves no purpose for a reader to know what the reporter did. Though, if it was something the reporter was part of, but the result was an important matter, then it would seem reasonable to self-report (a little).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how accurate such a situation was, but I remember in the movie &#8220;We Were Soldiers&#8221; the photographer, who ended up fighting in battle, still wrote the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Heterochromia - Suddenly, I feel like imitating zaitcev</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CalAggie</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 05:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still haven&#039;t seen Library Wars (I&#039;ll have to finally check it out after this) but based on the situation you gave, I would have not offered the military a news helicopter at the risk of being non-cooperative to the national army. If they wanted it, they would have commandeer it from my crew. However, if there were a policy that required me to hand over the copter, I would have to explicitly state my voluntary aid of the military if I were still able to file a report.

That is a more sticky case than the drowning boy one - I would save the kid but the rescue could not feasibly be reported without a personal bias. It could still be reported by another reporter/publication as an after-the-fact case but that article would mainly hinge on the experiences of the survivor, his family, and the rescuer and thus have suspiciously subjective elements.

The mention of a helicopter reminded me of an in-air accident last July where two rival Phoenix news helicopters crashed into each other while covering a police pursuit. An everyday chase turned into an unusual story for some area reporters but the stations involved handled the story objectively as they should have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still haven&#8217;t seen Library Wars (I&#8217;ll have to finally check it out after this) but based on the situation you gave, I would have not offered the military a news helicopter at the risk of being non-cooperative to the national army. If they wanted it, they would have commandeer it from my crew. However, if there were a policy that required me to hand over the copter, I would have to explicitly state my voluntary aid of the military if I were still able to file a report.</p>
<p>That is a more sticky case than the drowning boy one &#8211; I would save the kid but the rescue could not feasibly be reported without a personal bias. It could still be reported by another reporter/publication as an after-the-fact case but that article would mainly hinge on the experiences of the survivor, his family, and the rescuer and thus have suspiciously subjective elements.</p>
<p>The mention of a helicopter reminded me of an in-air accident last July where two rival Phoenix news helicopters crashed into each other while covering a police pursuit. An everyday chase turned into an unusual story for some area reporters but the stations involved handled the story objectively as they should have.</p>
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		<title>By: Shiri</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 09:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t quite fathom what the problem with this question is supposed to be. I save the kid. If I don&#039;t then write about it afterwards it&#039;s only because I can&#039;t think of a non-awkward, non-self-aggrandising way to describe it. I sure let someone else in my news group do it if the opportunity comes up.

I also lend my helicopter to the anti-censorship people. Is the only reason I shouldn&#039;t that people might think I was lying or exaggerating it? Then that&#039;s more of a question about not getting caught than ethics. -I- know I&#039;m honest.

Maybe I&#039;m misunderstanding something or maybe I&#039;m just depraved and missing out on some fundamental ethical principle here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t quite fathom what the problem with this question is supposed to be. I save the kid. If I don&#8217;t then write about it afterwards it&#8217;s only because I can&#8217;t think of a non-awkward, non-self-aggrandising way to describe it. I sure let someone else in my news group do it if the opportunity comes up.</p>
<p>I also lend my helicopter to the anti-censorship people. Is the only reason I shouldn&#8217;t that people might think I was lying or exaggerating it? Then that&#8217;s more of a question about not getting caught than ethics. -I- know I&#8217;m honest.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m misunderstanding something or maybe I&#8217;m just depraved and missing out on some fundamental ethical principle here.</p>
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		<title>By: iniksbane</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Michael - I definitely agree.

@Kabitzin - It actually is a pretty easy ethical question. It was just one that I got asked in a J-course. Although whether you&#039;re part of the story either way is a good point that I hadn&#039;t thought about. 

 Although it isn&#039;t so much the facts, as providing assistance to a governmental agency involved in a war.:) But yeah... although that usually gets people fired (people like Jason Blair or there was another woman who actually won a Pulitzer prize for a story about a young herion addict that she actually made up.)

@Sasa - There is a bit of a weakness. But the counter argument for why the media should lend their helocopter is because &quot;They&#039;re saving lives.&quot; I think there&#039;s a question though of whether or not the people involved actually put themselves in danger or just happened to be in danger. 

As far as the side note, I was pretty sure if I didn&#039;t make that addition someone would have brought up the Utilitarian argument of &quot;Well what if he does something bad in the future.&quot; (Because in Utilitarian ethics not every life is worth the same.)

@The Animanachronism -

  &lt;blockquote&gt;  But then, the whole world of the show is a bit of a thought-experiment rather than an attempt at realism. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

  You know I was going to write an entire post about that. :)

  But really as far as the censorship troops, I can see that. In fact, I can see that as more likely than a bunch of people getting together and defending non-censorship stuff. You should take a look at freedomforum.org. They actually do a survey every year about the state of the First Amendment. Almost invariably the results are, &quot;I want freedom for everyone that is like me.&quot; Although it has gotten better over the last few years.

Hrm.. Embedded reporters. Now that one&#039;s tough. Ethically, if the paper/station/news source is paying for the reporter&#039;s lodging and food then it&#039;s more ethical than if the government is paying for it. Granted, they should also pay for the soliders who are guarding the reporter. Although depending on the war, reporters usually have some level of autonomy. I seem to remember people reporting from inside of Iraq during the invasion. Now, the real question is of course, &quot;Can they report fairly?&quot; And I think the answer is an astounding maybe. But then again having reporters in with the troops is better than having them stuck behind the lines and being fed information by some PR guy, when they know it&#039;s likely that it&#039;s wrong. So personally, I think it&#039;s not the best situation. But probably the best situation that the media is going to get. 

And war is one of the tricky things, at least here in the US, because generally things like the Freedom of Information Act don&#039;t apply to documents concerning National Security. Although that opens an entirely different bag of cats.

@ Author - If you&#039;re talking about the Reuter&#039;s picture of American forces bombing Beirut, I think the important thing to note is this paragraph.

  &lt;blockquote&gt; Reuters&#039; head of PR Moira Whittle said in response: &quot;Reuters has suspended a photographer until investigations are completed into changes made to a photograph showing smoke billowing from buildings following an air strike on Beirut. Reuters takes such matters extremely seriously as it is strictly against company editorial policy to alter pictures.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But I agree that it was unethical and just plain wrong for the photog to do that. But it&#039;s also important to note that he was fired for it too. 

And what is wrong with taking pictures of a terrorist firing a missle at a plane? I mean it is news. In fact, it would probably be LESS ethical to not take a picture of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael &#8211; I definitely agree.</p>
<p>@Kabitzin &#8211; It actually is a pretty easy ethical question. It was just one that I got asked in a J-course. Although whether you&#8217;re part of the story either way is a good point that I hadn&#8217;t thought about. </p>
<p> Although it isn&#8217;t so much the facts, as providing assistance to a governmental agency involved in a war.:) But yeah&#8230; although that usually gets people fired (people like Jason Blair or there was another woman who actually won a Pulitzer prize for a story about a young herion addict that she actually made up.)</p>
<p>@Sasa &#8211; There is a bit of a weakness. But the counter argument for why the media should lend their helocopter is because &#8220;They&#8217;re saving lives.&#8221; I think there&#8217;s a question though of whether or not the people involved actually put themselves in danger or just happened to be in danger. </p>
<p>As far as the side note, I was pretty sure if I didn&#8217;t make that addition someone would have brought up the Utilitarian argument of &#8220;Well what if he does something bad in the future.&#8221; (Because in Utilitarian ethics not every life is worth the same.)</p>
<p>@The Animanachronism -</p>
<blockquote><p>  But then, the whole world of the show is a bit of a thought-experiment rather than an attempt at realism. </p></blockquote>
<p>  You know I was going to write an entire post about that. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>  But really as far as the censorship troops, I can see that. In fact, I can see that as more likely than a bunch of people getting together and defending non-censorship stuff. You should take a look at freedomforum.org. They actually do a survey every year about the state of the First Amendment. Almost invariably the results are, &#8220;I want freedom for everyone that is like me.&#8221; Although it has gotten better over the last few years.</p>
<p>Hrm.. Embedded reporters. Now that one&#8217;s tough. Ethically, if the paper/station/news source is paying for the reporter&#8217;s lodging and food then it&#8217;s more ethical than if the government is paying for it. Granted, they should also pay for the soliders who are guarding the reporter. Although depending on the war, reporters usually have some level of autonomy. I seem to remember people reporting from inside of Iraq during the invasion. Now, the real question is of course, &#8220;Can they report fairly?&#8221; And I think the answer is an astounding maybe. But then again having reporters in with the troops is better than having them stuck behind the lines and being fed information by some PR guy, when they know it&#8217;s likely that it&#8217;s wrong. So personally, I think it&#8217;s not the best situation. But probably the best situation that the media is going to get. </p>
<p>And war is one of the tricky things, at least here in the US, because generally things like the Freedom of Information Act don&#8217;t apply to documents concerning National Security. Although that opens an entirely different bag of cats.</p>
<p>@ Author &#8211; If you&#8217;re talking about the Reuter&#8217;s picture of American forces bombing Beirut, I think the important thing to note is this paragraph.</p>
<blockquote><p> Reuters&#8217; head of PR Moira Whittle said in response: &#8220;Reuters has suspended a photographer until investigations are completed into changes made to a photograph showing smoke billowing from buildings following an air strike on Beirut. Reuters takes such matters extremely seriously as it is strictly against company editorial policy to alter pictures.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>But I agree that it was unethical and just plain wrong for the photog to do that. But it&#8217;s also important to note that he was fired for it too. </p>
<p>And what is wrong with taking pictures of a terrorist firing a missle at a plane? I mean it is news. In fact, it would probably be LESS ethical to not take a picture of it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other side already has most of the media at its disposal. Remember how journos took pictures of terrorists launching the missile at the DHL plane, how Reuters doctored their photographs, etc. That&#039;s not embedding, it&#039;s better: having media in your pocket and doing your bidding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other side already has most of the media at its disposal. Remember how journos took pictures of terrorists launching the missile at the DHL plane, how Reuters doctored their photographs, etc. That&#8217;s not embedding, it&#8217;s better: having media in your pocket and doing your bidding.</p>
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		<title>By: The Animanachronism</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t swim . . . but yes, that helicopter-lending was odd. It suggests that the journalist (and by extension her helicopter crew) prize the victory of the Libraries over journalistic integrity.

Of course, it&#039;s hard to imagine a real-life conflict with such clearly-defined morals; one has to wonder quite where the Censorship Army (or whatever it&#039;s called) gets its recruits, unless there are lots of people who secretly think &#039;Censorship: &lt;em&gt;hell yeah&lt;/em&gt;!&#039; that I don&#039;t know about. But then, the whole world of the show is a bit of a thought-experiment rather than an attempt at realism.

Tangentially, what&#039;s the deal with embedded reporters, like in recent conflicts I imagine we can all name? How does that work, ethically, especially if one side in a war is eager to embed reporters and the other most definitely isn&#039;t? Assuming there&#039;s an answer to that which fits into a blog comment rather than a three-thousand word essay . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t swim . . . but yes, that helicopter-lending was odd. It suggests that the journalist (and by extension her helicopter crew) prize the victory of the Libraries over journalistic integrity.</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s hard to imagine a real-life conflict with such clearly-defined morals; one has to wonder quite where the Censorship Army (or whatever it&#8217;s called) gets its recruits, unless there are lots of people who secretly think &#8216;Censorship: <em>hell yeah</em>!&#8217; that I don&#8217;t know about. But then, the whole world of the show is a bit of a thought-experiment rather than an attempt at realism.</p>
<p>Tangentially, what&#8217;s the deal with embedded reporters, like in recent conflicts I imagine we can all name? How does that work, ethically, especially if one side in a war is eager to embed reporters and the other most definitely isn&#8217;t? Assuming there&#8217;s an answer to that which fits into a blog comment rather than a three-thousand word essay . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Sasa</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that&#039;s quite a tricky question that had never occurred to me before. Thank you for pointing that out!

There might be a slightly weakness in the analogy though. I think there is a difference between the guy who saves the drowning child and the reporter who &quot;donates&quot; their helicopter because that the helicopter belongs to the media. The reporter, however, can become &quot;just a man&quot; to save the child and at that point stop being at his job. Therefore, that could be a solution to the one ethical problem but there is none to the other.

On a side note, even a child Hitler is a living human and should be saved, ethically speaking. No matter how much how uneasy you would feel about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s quite a tricky question that had never occurred to me before. Thank you for pointing that out!</p>
<p>There might be a slightly weakness in the analogy though. I think there is a difference between the guy who saves the drowning child and the reporter who &#8220;donates&#8221; their helicopter because that the helicopter belongs to the media. The reporter, however, can become &#8220;just a man&#8221; to save the child and at that point stop being at his job. Therefore, that could be a solution to the one ethical problem but there is none to the other.</p>
<p>On a side note, even a child Hitler is a living human and should be saved, ethically speaking. No matter how much how uneasy you would feel about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kabitzin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t that an easy ethical debate?  You save the child since you are part of the story either way, and it&#039;s better to be the hero than the guy who let a kid drown.  Then, you only grant first interviews and details of the story to the paper/station that employs you.  This favor will benefit you eventually (being sent to cover a juicy story), the kid gets saved, your place of employment gets a real feel-good story with exclusive interviews.  Win-win-win situation with no morality compromised, so this is not much of an ethical problem.  

As for the reporter, why let the facts get in the way of a good story ;D?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that an easy ethical debate?  You save the child since you are part of the story either way, and it&#8217;s better to be the hero than the guy who let a kid drown.  Then, you only grant first interviews and details of the story to the paper/station that employs you.  This favor will benefit you eventually (being sent to cover a juicy story), the kid gets saved, your place of employment gets a real feel-good story with exclusive interviews.  Win-win-win situation with no morality compromised, so this is not much of an ethical problem.  </p>
<p>As for the reporter, why let the facts get in the way of a good story ;D?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. If they got involved, they shouldn&#039;t be reporters in the first place.

This reminds me of Tomorrow Never Dies, though. It&#039;s not the best Bond film, but Carver was a media-mogul who wanted to make news himself. He funded wars, etc. - so Bond had to stop him. Obviously, what he did wasn&#039;t ethical. The media shouldn&#039;t get involved. 

Or at least, if they do, let others cover them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. If they got involved, they shouldn&#8217;t be reporters in the first place.</p>
<p>This reminds me of Tomorrow Never Dies, though. It&#8217;s not the best Bond film, but Carver was a media-mogul who wanted to make news himself. He funded wars, etc. &#8211; so Bond had to stop him. Obviously, what he did wasn&#8217;t ethical. The media shouldn&#8217;t get involved. </p>
<p>Or at least, if they do, let others cover them.</p>
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